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The New Sun sets

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Xerta, Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:43:38 +0200 last edited: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 19:44:00 +0200

I neglected to reshare this last week when it happened and can't recall anyone else posting on it. If you're a good enough writer that the blessed Ursula says he is "our Melville" you better be paying attention.

Gene Wolfe, 'magnificent' giant of science fiction, dies aged 87

If you haven't read The Book of the New Sun cycle, do yourself a favour, do that thing.

#genewolfe

book scifi

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hosh

Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:43:13 +0200

For those who are morally against the use of torrents, I think his books are in any case sold drm free. See https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2017/03/07/free-tor-ebook-shadow-and-claw-by-gene-wolfe/

Beni Grind

Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:08:15 +0200

Generally I pay for books if I find a way to buy them DRM-free. I couln't find any of his books on TOR, though.

hosh

Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:33:49 +0200

calibre screenshot:

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Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:50:55 +0200

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elmussol

Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:15:52 +0200 last edited: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 10:23:22 +0200

Welcome back. You have been sorely missed.

Charles Roth MPC

Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:56:48 +0200

I've missed you all. I've said before there's a quality to the conversations here.

Charles Roth MPC

Wed, 24 Apr 2019 04:53:07 +0200 last edited: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 04:53:31 +0200

Not a good quality, just a quality... 😂😂

short-form epic

elmussol

Xerta, Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:23:16 +0200

!Music Previously on this channel... we did epic long-form soul. Now we do cram as many genres, bits of virtuosity and pieces of crazy otherness into one tune. Pushing the edges of Hammond we have:

Little Richie Varola – Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf
mp3 download

#hammond #funky16corners #littlerichievarola

music

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Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:52:07 +0200

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perfecto

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Xerta, Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:13:52 +0200

Rule 523: always share a perfect game. Always.

Mister Baseball wrote the following post Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:10:54 +0200

Misja Harcksen with Perfect Game for Curacao Neptunus

Dutch pitcher Misja Harcksen pitched a perfect game for Curacao Neptunus Rotterdam in the Dutch Hoofdklasse on Sunday. He retired all 27 batters of the Twins Oosterhout in a 4-0 victory. He struck out ten and needed just 97 pitches to complete the feat. It was only the third perfect game in the history of […]

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soul of the epic variety

elmussol

Xerta, Sat, 13 Apr 2019 20:55:46 +0200

!Music Courtesy of the always excellent Funky 16 Corners blog there is this. We sometimes make the mistake of thinking that the twenty minute opus is a progrock thing or a jamband thing or an ambient exploration thing. But we're wrong -- this is lush and gorgeous and soulful, but also crafted and constructed as well as Yes or Rush. It's a little on the light side in terms of my usual sonic preferences -- a little funkiness does creep in, but we're still in soul with strings territory for the most part. Damn, but it grabs.

Tami Lynn – Love Affair Suite
mp3

I actually blame me digging this so much on listening to Alice's Restaurant (various versions and performances) earlier in the week.

#tamilynn #funky16corners #yes #rush #arloguthrie

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disgraceful on so many levels

elmussol

Xerta, Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:25:36 +0200 last edited: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 23:29:13 +0200

Nice summary post here from Caity Johnsone:

Assange Has Been Arrested For US Extradition. The Time To Act Is Now.

h/t @hosh

politics

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Mon, 08 Apr 2019 21:15:07 +0200

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KLAXON! PSA for elsmussols.net

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Xerta, Sun, 07 Apr 2019 15:36:16 +0200

It is my intention to do the Hubzilla update to 4.0 tomorrow (Monday, 8 April 2019). I expect it be done during the afternoon CEST (UCT+2), though I can't be more specific timing wise.

If the hub is down, check back in a couple of hours and all should be up again (I hope).

hubzilla update

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elmussol

Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:15:29 +0200

zotlabs wrote:

Did they bring cake and ice cream?

Arriving later. I have asked for a nice bottle of French beer for making me work on my birthday.

el veciet

Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:30:12 +0200

I entered right now...

me parece tudo normal

Manuel

Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:48:30 +0200

Pues parece que lo has hecho de maravilla: tu stio está ya en la 4.02

them bloody anarchists

elmussol

Xerta, Sun, 07 Apr 2019 12:38:34 +0200

This popped up in my timeline again, it made me laugh again, so it must be worth a reshare:

Manuel wrote the following post Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:16:12 +0200

Oh, no, anarchists!
Anarchy in the UK

Image/photo

anarchism comic

Manuel

Sun, 07 Apr 2019 12:47:07 +0200 last edited: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:00:59 +0200

This popped up in my timeline again

Stuff of the clones

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Wed, 03 Apr 2019 18:41:33 +0200

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PHP7.blech

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Xerta, Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:48:48 +0100 last edited: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:50:10 +0100

!Hubzilla Support Forum I saw this go by and sighed. Not at the HZ devs but at the Debian ones.

core:master commits wrote the following post Fri, 22 Feb 2019 12:52:25 +0100

Update PHP Version check during Setup.
Update PHP Version check during Setup.

Hubzilla 4.0 requires PHP7. The oldest still supported PHP branch is 7.1. So check during Setup for PHP >= 7.1. (cherry picked from commit 3f13c85b)

The issue is that Debian Stable is stuck on 7.0. No worries I thought to myself, there will be a 7.1 or 7.2 I can use from backports. No dice. My options are:

1: Stick at PHP7.0, which is EoL and prevents me from upgrading to HZ 4.0.x.

2: Install PHP7.3 from Debian Testing. This is obviously not recommended on a production server that is on a Stable OS for a reason.

The Debian devs have really dropped the ball on this one. Hubzilla can't be the only PHP thang that was on 7.0 and has been bumped to 7.1 and is hosted on Debian Stable.

PHP

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Waitman Gobble

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 18:59:56 +0100

building php from source is a good idea.

Mario Vavti

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 19:24:59 +0100

I think you will be fine with 7.0 (not tested). Basically we announced 7.1 because 7.0 has already reached EoL.

elmussol

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 19:53:39 +0100

I'd rather test on a test site if you get my meaning. I think @M. Dent referred to one call that was problematic. See if I dig up a reference.

Tanja

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:18:00 +0100

While I completely understand your frustration, there actually is another option:

https://deb.sury.org/

I found that when I was fumbling around with Raspbian a few months ago.

Waitman Gobble

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:36:39 +0100

just in case you want to build PHP from source. it's not that scary. I've been doing it for years. on Debian 9, you have to have build-essential and autoconf and i think libtool?

also you need pkg-config. this part isn't really clear, but the build will fail saying it can't find openssl or something. the fix is to install pkg-config. magic!

the only could of weirdo things is the message that "your system doesn't support systemd" or something like, you have to install libsystemd-dev

# apt-get install libsystemd-dev

and curl needs ssl library, you have a choice of three i think... you're not really going to get away from using openssl (yet) so i'd say just use the openssl version :)

then your config.nice, which should work for 7.1 - 7.3

# cat config.nice
#! /bin/sh
#
# Created by configure

'./configure' \
'--with-zlib' \
'--with-xpm-dir=/usr/' \
'--enable-zip' \
'--enable-mbstring' \
'--with-gd=/usr/' \
'--with-openssl' \
'--with-curl' \
'--enable-fpm' \
'--with-mysqli=/usr/bin/mysql_config' \
'--with-pdo-mysql' \
'--with-fpm-systemd' \

just make a config.nice file with that stuff in it, chmod +x and ./config.nice

i also used to build mysqld from source, but the packages are so much better these days it's not worth it.

i've been running 7.3 on this machine for a good while, the only noticeable issue is that it complains about erroneous 'continue' statements. I checked it out and they are indeed probably not doing what they were intended to do. The code functions as-is, it just loops through a bunch of unnecessary stuff because the continue statement isn't going to the right place.


 "continue" targeting switch is equivalent to "break". Did you mean to use "continue 2"? in /www/zilla/hubzilla/extend/addon/hzaddons/pubcrawl/Mod_Inbox.php on line 147

elmussol

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 22:19:02 +0100

Now that is very interesting. Thank you @Tanja.

Tanja

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:11:21 +0100

You're welcome. PHP up to 7.3 is available. Also, there's probably a newer version of Apache, too, than in the official Stretch repositories. I'm on Ubuntu 18.04, using the ondrej PPA for both PHP and Apache, and both are more up to date than the official Ubuntu packages.

zotlabs

Sat, 30 Mar 2019 23:19:25 +0100

7.0 works fine. I'll try to let you know if we do something that changes this. At this time we have no reason to break backward compatibility, but we do have to put 5.6 out to pasture. Hz4 has at least one incompatibility with 5.6

cb7f604332cf39

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 14:39:09 +0200

Another Option is to pull php 7.3 from testing and have a mixed environment:

https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-default-version

From my point of view: testing is for stable enough.
I have a mixed system with some parts from unstable

Anmol Sharma

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 19:07:54 +0200

Is HZ4/Osada/Zap working with php 7.0?

Mario Vavti

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 19:20:49 +0200

It's not only working, it's a requirement...

Beni Grind

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 19:37:31 +0200

Yet another option would be to migrate the machine to testing. Buster is in freeze and will become stable pretty soon (in Debian terms) anyway. I figure it should be pretty stable by now.

Anmol Sharma

Mon, 01 Apr 2019 19:37:49 +0200

I mean till Debian buster is released bringing php7.1,7.2,7.3 , can HZ4/Osada/Zap be used with php7.0 on Debian stretch ?

elmussol

Tue, 02 Apr 2019 00:24:54 +0200

I do appreciate the input folks. But here's the context:

My server runs Debian Stable because I want upkeep to be:

aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude clean

On my server, I take everything from the Debian stable repos for ease. My laptop runs testing/unstable and bits from other repos -- I can deal with the wrinkles that throws up occasionally no problem, but I absolutely don't want to do that on my server.

When a new stable happens (which is nearish), I will read the heck out of the release notes before I do anything and I normally wait for the x.1 release before I dist-upgrade.

As I said in the original post, this is Debian's fault -- no 7.1 in backports, especially when the same dude that packages 7.0 for stable and 7.3 for next stable also has 7.1 and 7.2 on his site, is just crap. PHP is an important tool, to let it EoL on a stable distro is rubbish -- the HZ devs have done absolutely the right thing on making the requirement 7.1.

I am unsure what course to take, so I will stew on it for a couple of days.

zotlabs

Tue, 02 Apr 2019 00:59:25 +0200

If you're doing an upgrade, 7.0 will just work. It isn't recommended, but it won't break.

If you're doing a fresh install it will complain about 7.0 and refuse to install. You can change '7.1' to '7.0' in Zotlabs/Modules/Setup.php if you need to install under 7.0 until Debian gets their shit sorted.

elmussol

Tue, 02 Apr 2019 11:07:05 +0200

It's an upgrade not a new install. I'll probably do it later in the week when farmwork allows me to have a little more headspace. I won't be waiting for the point one release when Buster becomes the new stable and will go straight to PHP7.3.

Michael MD

Tue, 02 Apr 2019 16:41:31 +0200

I should do an update soon too but need to trim the db (its getting way too big and I'm running out of hd space on the server)

Though I'm somewhat nervious about os upgrades on a running system
(would like to hear how safe-upgrade etc went for othets and if there are any gotchas I would need to know about before tryiing anything like that)

but not too worried about php - I could compile a new php from source if I need to, ( I have done that several tome before in the past - main gotchas the forst time was working out that theur "configure" script needed to be told where to find some libraries needed by needed extensions - from memory nearly always ilibxml2 and some of the image-related ones - and worked out that it wanted prefixes not fulll paths.. fiddly and somewhat baffling the first time I did it but now know what to do if Iit doesn't find them.

The different distros are working toward standardising those prefixes anyway
(havent tried icompiling php from source yet on debian 9 but not worried .. it might now even find those libs by itself)

currently om 7.0 which according to what I read above should still work anyway.
either way not too worried about php

more worried about how to safely trim the database (minimising the impact on users) atm.

I should do that before attempting upgrades which might involve db structure changes which could take a long time to run on a huge database.

absent but still paying attention a bit

elmussol

Xerta, Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:35:49 +0100

Things are bloody hard work at the moment (details unnecessary). So while I was doing the washing up this afternoon (there is a tranquility in the mundane), this popped up as next to listen to in my podcatcher:

Revolutionary Left Radio: Rebellious Mourning: Grief, Death, and Communal Resistance

mp3 download

shownotes

An hour and forty well spent. Anyone with a radical bone in their body will feel the same. The best expression of "why I am the way I am" I've heard in a very long time.

Let me know if you gave it a listen.

#revleftradio

politics podcast

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elmussol

Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:47:00 +0100

But you will

zotlabs

Wed, 20 Mar 2019 22:13:02 +0100

On the list.

JamJarChris

Tue, 26 Mar 2019 20:44:53 +0100

Enjoyed it - my over-riding thought was the strength of community

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